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I would assume that the vast majority of fans here are fans of the band, of the entity that is 3eb more than of the individuals who comprise that entity. After all, it's the hard work and collaboration of the group that results in the music that, I think it's safe to say, brought all of us to the assembly.
So I think it's odd that, in the face of this very murky issue, people are calling for boycotts of the band and issuing "fuck-you"s to band members.
My take is that 3eb is comprised of intelligent and talented artists--intelligent and talented artists who are adults--who I trust to have what it takes to resolve issues that arise within the group. If they can continually, over the course of 16 years (and multiple shifts in membership, to boot), come out with music that speaks to me and informs me, I think they can figure out how to resolve an internal conflict.
So the question is: what makes you think that, as a fan, you have better authority on what to do or where to place blame than SJ, Tony, Brad or Abe? And for some of you, what makes you think that anyone interested in sticking by the band they love is a "sheep"?- Reply
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RE: A question to those uttering
Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 1:05 PM by apples&uraniumVery well said, mandizzle. You're right. They ARE adults. And so are most of the people here, even though many of them certainly don't act like it.
RE: A question to those uttering
Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 1:26 PM by FireInYourFliesI feel the same. I don't think people should be casting judgment yet. I hate what I HEAR Stephan is doing and has done, but I don't want to just shoot first and ask questions later. I don't think that's fair to the people who make up 3eb, my favorite band. Hell, 3eb is a lot of peoples' favorite band. Why give Stephan a big FUCK YOU when we don't know all the sides of the story yet?
Nervous flicks on your lighter...
RE: A question to those uttering
Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 5:13 PM by Friendly Neighborhood AtheistAs Americans we have the right to boycott whatever we wish for whatever reason we wish. Boycotting something is a real way for a consumer to show their disdain for a product. If I or anyone else feels like 3eb would be a lesser product without Tony then Its our right to boycott. As for the whole "sheep" issue. If you want to blindly follow a band because the name remains 3eb then that's fine, however the fact that SJ is now working on his 3rd lineup change leads me to question the integrity of the product being sold. Therefore I am expressing my right to boycott, and I urge others who wish to be informed to do the same. I wouldn't say "eff you" to any of the band members, rather I would let my money speak for me and hopefully if enough of the consuming public out there recognizes an inferior product they will follow suit, therefore directly effecting the pocketbook of SJ.
RE: A question to those uttering
Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 5:30 PM by In another lifeI totally agree with you mandizzle317. Although we do have the right to boycott, I dont see why you would choose to excercise it here. Perfect example of different strokes for different folks. I dont get it though.But I do get what your saying and am glad you said it so thanks!
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RE: A question to those uttering
Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 6:23 PM by apples&uraniumUsing the phrase "blindly following" and suggesting that those who don't boycott don't wish to be informed is pretty hostile.
But, the entire problem with your argument is that it's based on the idea that the product will suffer. You don't know that. I'm not saying I don't like Tony, but it is entirely possible that with a new lineup, magic will still happen. How can you question the integrity of a product that does not yet exist?
RE: A question to those uttering
Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:04 PM by mandizzle317Thanks, Apples - that's a big part of the issue. I mean, to be fair, I was in middle school when KC was booted from the band, so I wasn't as interested/involved as I am with the situation that's going on now, but I definitely don't love the KC albums more or less than the TF albums. As I see it, 3eb is a group that changes when change is necessary, and until they drop an album that isn't completely heart-wrenching, I have trouble calling their methods into question.
RE: A question to those uttering
Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 9:14 PM by NYGREENBlah Listen to Self Titled and then listen to Ursa Major. You will notice a huge difference. Stop being balls deep for Stephan...
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RE: A question to those uttering
Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 9:14 PM by NYGREENBlah Listen to Self Titled and then listen to Ursa Major. You will notice a huge difference. Stop being balls deep for Stephan...
RE: A question to those uttering
Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 9:23 PM by apples&uraniumIf you didn't like Ursa Major, why are you still here?
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Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 11:27 PM by mandizzle317Ftw.
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Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 1:43 AM by GodThat's it. I need to put an end to this.
There. Much better.
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Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 5:57 AM by Matt.A lot of fans have a stong dislike for Ursa Major because it was a piss-poor album that despite 6 years of work was thrown together at the last minute. Add that to the fact that many of the best songs from the previous 6 years were forgotten about in favor of shitty 'dittys' like 1 in 10 and that even the sronger songs were not what they could have been and its easy to see why fans are not happy about it. We may dislike 1 album but thats no reason to dismiss the band all together.
Personally, im sticking around because we are getting a live album, an EP, Ursa Minor, the Crash mansion DVD, and a coffee table book pretty soon and I dont want to miss out on those. I have all the faith in Doug to put those out in a timely manner. He promised, right? He also promised lots of video on the site was coming super soon, that was like 3 months ago, but ill give him the benefit of the doubt, im sure they were working on it this week while he was FUCKING SNOWBOARDING.
RE: A question to those uttering
Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 7:19 AM by mandizzle317Well, you obviously have your right to that opinion. I happen to be one of many fans who loves the album. Is it different than the earlier albums? Fuck yes - and I'm glad. I would hope that, over the course of 16 years, a band would evolve its sound. But the songs still have this air of impermanence and restlessness somehow combined with inevitability.
You sound like one entitled mother-fucker right here. They're musicians, not your effing waitress at Denny's.
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Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 7:47 AM by SkibaI love Third Eye Blind.
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Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 8:06 AM by Matt.Quite the opposite actually. I dont feel entitled to any of that. Would it be nice if the band started putting out a product that the fans could get excited about and keep the band relevant between years long album releases? If they dont want to, fine, but quit telling us you are going to and then get all pissy about the fans who call you out on it. When are a lot of you guys going to wake up and start calling Stephan out on his never ending line of bullshit. Its been the same thing for 12 years now.
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Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 8:30 AM by Spiff2112Mandizzle, I appreciate your post as it was actually a mature & well thought out one. A rarity around here most times. Heheh.
:^P
But, as Matt point out, we as fans have every right to be sarcastic, cynical, and even totally dismissing, when it comes to promises made or things said about future plans with this band.
Because, usually, about 90% of said promises are broken, or future plans do NOT come to fruition.
Let me give you a tiny slice of this pie:
I went to see 3eb in July of 2007. It was an AMAZING show! I got to hear some NEW songs too, and I liked them! (at this time I had no idea some of these NEW songs were already a year or 2 old!!)
Anyways Stephan said THEN that the new album was almost finished and should be out in a few months!! I was stoked!!
I did not see said new album for another 2 YEARS!!!
Soo.... U see why we take what is said by SJ with gratuitous amounts of "grains of salt"?
And... The reason no one questions the other band members, is simply because they never say anything. SJ does all the talking.
Otherwise. Nice post! :^)
RE: A question to those uttering
Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:33 AM by Friendly Neighborhood Atheistuh, this is pretty much the exact definition of a "fair weather fan" I have been a fan of this band since I listened to SCL on TAPE! been through 12 years of ups and downs and I'm not going to write off a band because of 1 subpar album. Although I am getting quite skeptical since (if tony is replaced) this will be the 3rd major lineup change. I reserve my right to dissent and boycott if i so choose.
RE: A question to those uttering
Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:41 AM by NYGREENThat is just a fucking stupid question. Just because they made a bad record doesn't mean I'm going to stop liking them. They also made three other records I fell completely in love with. Bands are going to make bad records, sometimes.... Ursa Major was just rushed... the content was all there.
Dao, Monotov's, Summer Town, Carnival Barker, and Water landing all weren't quite ready. You don't have to be a fan to realize these songs did not reach maximum potential. SJ even quoted on the mess ups I believe.
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Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:15 AM by HoobyI love jazz and half the albums that many jazz artists made were made when they were jacked out on heroin. Charlie Parker said a couple of his records should never have seen the light of day they sounded like so much shit.
That doesn't mean that he didn't have a wealth of material behind him that changed the genre forever.
You're trying to say that just because a person dislikes the new record, that they aren't entitled to support the band anymore. That's completely absurd. There may be a severe lack of faith in what this "band" is able to produce anymore if they keep down the path they've been on for the past 5 years, but that doesn't mean that those cynical people wouldn't love to hear a record with promise and love behind it. Many of us dutifully committed the demos that were to comprise a bulk of UM to memory long LONG before it had even come out...and we were intensely excited for it. And the great majority of us want to see what Ursa minor can produce....though we are skeptical. So when you ask "why are you still here"....I'd venture to guess that most of us are still here for the reason we've BEEEN here for for the last 12 years. Because we love this band.
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Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:32 AM by HoobyI don't think you have any idea what you're talking about here. Are you just looking up words in the dictionary and inserting them where you please?
You're talking about songs that have "impermanence" combined with "inevitability"......really? You really aren't making any sense with these statements. I love 3eb.....I love them even after I discovered more harmonically and diverse bands. I loved them after I really delved into jazz. And I loved them even after I saw them waste their talent over 6 years of bullshit. But Ursa Major is NOT an evolution in their music....The music, if UM is the standard, is devolving. It's become less complex in structure, rhythm, and in lyricism. And it's become severely emotionally stale compared to S/T or Blue. There's a reason SJ said a little while ago that Blue was 3eb's best album. I don't fault the man for being a perfectionist. It's a terrible thing to deal with, but it often leads to bad music because the musician in question is taking his/her brain as the leader instead of his/her heart. And that's exactly what SJ's done and has been doing.
And Matt isn't trying to say that he's entitled, you self-righteous (yup, I said it) moron......he's saying that if you're going to make promises, then you shouldn't break them over....and over......AND over.
Most of us aren't saying that people sticking by the band are "sheep"...we've merely been saying that if you're blind enough to think that, after what's gone on over the last 10 years, SJ is a completely innocent party......then you're blocking out most of the band's history. No one here or over at TVCY WANTS to place blame, but when we have a matter of fact statement coming from a person that's been 100% truthful to us over the last 10 years, compared to a person that's released a single, very vague statement since this all started happening....that has been anything BUT truthful to us over the past 10 years.....which is the logical side to take? You can say "alleged" all you want, but until SJ releases a specific statement releasing his side of the story.....I'm going to be absolutely supportive of the man who's A) been true and communicative with his fans, B) taken my specific suggestions on numerous occasions and was kind enough to tell me that I "knew my shit" and C) has displayed a heart through all this nonsense instead of confounding the people that love his band, like SJ has.